Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with Jocko Willink — decorated Navy SEAL, best-selling author, and serial entrepreneur — to explore the principles of discipline, leadership, and the relentless pursuit of meaningful goals.
From parenting to entrepreneurship, from writing books to rebuilding American factories, this is a masterclass in how to live deliberately and lead effectively. Jocko shares how to recognize the problems that matter, transform them into opportunities, and cultivate the habits that compound into lasting success. Together, they trace the journey of “Way of the Warrior Kid” — from a simple idea to a major motion picture — and reflect on what it means to lead with humility, ask earnest questions, and build a life driven by purpose.
Whether you’re trying to straighten out your life, launch a business, or simply stay on the path, this episode is packed with hard-won insight on how to aim upward — and stay there.
Jocko Willink is a retired U.S. Navy SEAL officer and decorated combat leader who commanded Task Unit Bruiser—the most highly decorated Special Operations unit of the Iraq War. After 20 years of service, including overseeing SEAL leadership training, he co-founded Echelon Front, a leadership consulting firm where he teaches battlefield-tested principles to business leaders. He is also a New York Times bestselling author of “Extreme Ownership, Discipline Equals Freedom,” and the “Way of the Warrior Kid” series, and hosts the popular Jocko Podcast.
This episode was filmed on April, 24th, 2025.
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:51) Intro
(3:28) Defining success, why Willink wrote “The Way of the Warrior Kid”
(16:24) When to self-publish and when to integrate with established networks
(22:03) Apple bought the film rights—Chris Pratt is starring
(30:14) All heroes start out lowly… how to rise
(38:14) How to collaborate across fields of expertise
(49:15) Become a video editor
(54:10) Where your best ideas will call from—and how to listen
(1:03:36) Revelation vs. “squeezing your brain”
(1:10:03) How to train leaders, how to become one
(1:24:09) The indirect approach
(1:33:22) Why the tyrant is attractive
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