Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with researcher, neuroscientist, and author, Dr. Baland Jalal. They discuss human embodiment, the rubber hand experiments (which push embodiment beyond the physical), the deeper functionality of dreams, sleep paralysis, and a potential theory to explain alien abductions.
Dr. Jalal is a neuroscientist and author at Harvard and previously a Visiting Researcher at Cambridge University Medical School where he obtained his PhD. Dr. Jalal’s work has been featured in the The New York Times, Washington Post, The Today Show, The BBC, Chicago Tribune, The Guardian, NBC News, New York Magazine, The Times, The Telegraph, Forbes, Der Spiegel, Reuters, Fox News, Discover Magazine, VICE, and PBS (NOVA). He writes for Time Magazine, Scientific American, Big Think, and Boston Globe. The Telegraph and BBC described him as “one of the world’s leading experts on sleep paralysis,” and he was ranked the “top-rated expert in sleep paralysis in the world” on Expertscape based on scientific impact in the past 10 years.
This episode was filmed on January 17th, 2025.
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Read “Transdiagnostic Multiplex CBT for Muslim Cultural Groups: Treating Emotional Disorders” (2020) https://a.co/d/d1nZUwP
Dr. Baland Jalal’s course, Intro to Neuroscience, as well as my courses, are available at petersonacademy.com
| Chapters |
(0:00) Coming up
(0:52) Intro
(2:03) Dr. Jalal’s Introduction to Neuroscience – Now on Peterson Academy
(9:43) V. S. Ramachandran’s conception of the brain
(10:24) The rubber hand illusion: how Dr. Jalal extended human embodiment
(19:41) The difference between plasticity and the brain’s dynamic modular functions
(25:25) Investigating neglect in the brain – “you lose the perception of ‘left’ itself”
(30:16) Pouring water in the ears of stroke survivors to shock the system and reset bodily perception
(32:26) Where positive and negative emotion exist in the brain, how the left brain investigates anomalies
(37:39) What your brain is doing while you sleep, “a physiological straitjacket”
(48:31) Most interactions in dreams are negative – is this a safe testing ground for survival?
(51:14) Jordan’s old landlord, “if the cops come after me I’m not stopping”
(53:59) Why your dreams shift through various scenarios
(56:29) Nightmares indicate potential weaknesses
(1:00:16) Dreams are a bridge between the hyper-cosmic and the hyper-personal
(1:03:56) If you ask the monster why it’s chasing you…
(1:07:36) Sleep paralysis and why “demons” appear for 40% of people, “I saw Gaddafi”
(1:12:42) Cultural narratives lurk into your subconscious, abstraction and specificity
(1:16:55) It isn’t enough to know your enemy
(1:19:32) You can transmit your “demon” to other people
(1:24:29) Does sleep paralysis explain alien abduction experiences?
(1:27:08) Dr. Jalal’s 4-step solution to sleep paralysis
(1:30:47) You must reconcile yourself to the monsters
(1:32:02) A psychological understanding of prophetic dreams, the dreams of Moses
(1:38:22) The neurological conception of religion – perceptions are the axioms of thought
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