Angry and Red: Color as Emotion | Mark Changizi | EP 502

Jordan Peterson sits down with theorist and researcher Mark Changizi. They discuss the biological reasons for mass hysteria on the societal level, why we evolved to have color vision, and how we understand and interpret the patterns of the natural world.

Mark Changizi is a theorist aiming to grasp the ultimate foundations underlying why we think, feel, and see as we do. He attended the University of Virginia for a degree in physics and mathematics, and to the University of Maryland for a PhD in math. In 2002, he won a prestigious Sloan-Swartz Fellowship in Theoretical Neurobiology at Caltech, and in 2007, he became an assistant professor in the Department of Cognitive Science at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. In 2010, he took the post of Director of Human Cognition at a new research institute called 2ai Labs and also co-founded VINO Optics, which builds proprietary vein-enhancing glasses for medical personnel. He consults out of his Human Factory Lab.

He curated an exhibition and co-authored a (fourth) book — “On the Origin of Art” (2016) by Steven Pinker, Geoffrey Miller, Brian Boyd, and Mark Changizi — at MONA museum in Tasmania in 2016, illustrating his “nature-harnessing” theory on the origins of art and language.

This episode was filmed on November 22, 2024

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| Chapters |

(0:00) Coming up
(0:30) Intro
(3:25) Hypotheses of evolution, design and the woke rejection of teleology
(14:11) The Metaphysical Club, pragmatism and perception
(19:18) Our eyes read emotional signals via blood oxygenation under the skin
(26:05) Honest signals: Why we blush
(32:13) Multipurpose evolutions, the principle driver for forward-facing eyes
(40:51) Apes and micro-niches
(42:47) The optimal language for negotiation does not require speech, confidence vs. competence
(50:57) An emergent pattern of ethos: rat play, poker, and reciprocal interaction
(1:01:35) The emergence of language as a marketplace for emotional cues
(1:03:33) There is no ledger for social capital, condensed narratives
(1:08:14) Anonymous signaling and digital identity
(1:13:21) Reading the comments, a lack of consequences polarizes the conversation
(1:18:04) Bot farms, moderation, and online criminality
(1:25:32) Broad ability to read is incredibly recent, the evolution of writing, speech, and music

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